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TWP5: TS Dust Collection and Shop Layout

In the fifth episode of The Woodworking Podcast we’re talking about table saw dust collection, starting welding, and shop layout.

Episode notes:

  • Breaking News:
    • Nick – Finished his TV lift cabinet and now is planning his next project which is his take on a Harbor Freight organizer. He is also experimenting with different ways to showcase his finished projects.
    • April – Shot an updated shop tour and is recovering from traveling to Europe.
    • Jay – Starting on a dining table and is planning on doing a wedge through mortise and tenon sprung breadboard end.
  • Submitted Questions:
    • Chris H – I have a DC question. I have a Rigid TS3650 contractor’s saw. This has an external belt drive motor hanging off the back. Dust collection is horrible!! I have tried the Dust “Diaper” er i mean Cutter bag thingy but it was worse than using the equipped port. at the blade. My DC consists of a shop-vac and dust deputy. Any suggestions on how to improve DC on this saw?
    • Brian from Minnesota – My question is about welding. I think one of you mentioned doing this for a project for the first time. My wife wants some desks that would have a steel frame and legs, any info you can share about what you used and what you learned would be great! are there welding podcasts?
    • Anthohy Ryan – I am going going to build a table saw Paoson style–n16
      Just wondering what is your preferred size of out feed table? I have plenty of room is bigger better, or should I go something more conservative. I was thinking 2400 x 2400mm (8′ x 8′) and making part of it a work bench or would this be overkill.
      Keep up the great work!!

    • Nick received an email asking about top regarding shop layout.
      • Nick suggests to think about your workflow on projects, maybe going for a U shape set up. Using SketchUp is a good option when thinking about playing with the layout of your shop.
      • April first found a place for her tablesaw, which requires the most infeed and outfeed, then placed everything else around it.
      • Jay also suggest workflow, with the focus on when you bring material into the shop. Where is it going to go and what tools will you be using first to manage it.


  1. Kyle

    Thanks for the show today gang. Nick, I started down my woodworking journey after watching you build apple boxes. I think it’s interesting that you seem to have a drama/art background but struggle with the photography side of the content creating. I would love a series from you on the intersection of those two worlds. How would you build an automated rolling camera rig for panning shots. How would you make your own crane or gimble for overhead pans or higher set shots. I feel like there is more exploration with woodworking in the photo/video world and I would be curious about your solutions.

  2. Roy Salvesen

    You guys(and gal) put on a great show. I am litteraly counting days between podcast launches. This, in addition to great YT content, makes my day a little brighter. With this podcast, I can now download it to my phone, and listen to it on my earmuffs, when doing tedious work on my dayjob. Good job. Looking forward to next release, and thank you for using your talents to educate and entertain others. The best of luck to you all.

    Best regards
    Bellevue Woodshop

  3. Dave (KSFWG)

    I wonder if a lot of people stress out over shop layout. Shops change it’s just the nature of the beast. You might start out with a table saw, drill press, planer and that works fine. Then you add a jointer and that necessitates change. Later you add a mitre saw, that necessitates another change. Then a sanding station. It just goes on and on. Or you upgrade from say, a bench top jointer to a floor standing jointer, requiring more room and so your shop changes once again. Add a bandsaw… add dust collection… A shop will always evolve. A friend of mine asked me recently about setting up a shop. He was agonizing over leaving enough room to add tools later. I told him to go with what works for you now, because it will always be changing no matter what.

    Thanks for everything that you do for the woodworking community. I appreciate it and so do many others.

  4. Mike Merzke

    Great job guys! It’s nice to hear the different viewpoints from each of you. I used drawing out my shop in SketchUp as a way to learn the program and even years later each time I need to adjust my shop layout I check the feasibility first in SketchUp. This also lets me play in a 3D rendering of my shop while I’m traveling for the day job. Keep up the good work and I’m looking forward to seeing everyone in Atlanta!

  5. eddie N

    April, Jay, and Nick. I am a beginner woodworker and I love following all of you on youtube. I was really excited to hear that you all started your own podcast. I heard of it first on Woodtalk, believe it or not. It is great to see the online community that has formed around a simple thing like cutting and connecting wood. I appreciate the time you take to explain things. When I said new, I literally have been working for about 3-4 months. Just started with some donated tools and cheaper stuff at harbour freight. I recently bought a super used old craftsman tablesaw. Its not the greatest, but it is a start. For my first real project, I am making an entryway table, similar to the one that April shot a video for a while back. My daughter caught me watching some videos (she is 5) and wants me to make the dress up caddy from April as well. I found many Youtubers separately, then discovered that you all follow each other and support each other’s work. With the exception of all that Detroit sport paraphernalia in Jay’s shop, I love everything that you do! In the blood to bust chops…Just kidding though. the Red Wing drawer pulls are spot on. Anyhow, please continue to do the work that you do and thanks for creating content that is accessible to a noob like myself.

  6. Adam

    April / Jay / Nick:

    All three of you are great. I enjoy all of the content you create on Youtube and have been enjoying these podcasts. April – Your Bathroom updates inspired me to try Shaker Style cabinet doors myself on a pantry cabinet I recently built.

    With regard to these podcasts, I tend to listen on my PC while I am working on my PC during the day. I want to subscribe so I am informed when the next podcast comes out, but when I try to do an RSS Subscribe, I am directed to a page that sates at the top, “This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.” Below is a bunch of HTML Code. Can either of you provide any insight as to what may be going on? I don’t know if you are aware of the issue or not. I assume not because most people probably subscribed via Android or iTunes. I would prefer to get an email letting me know the next podcast is up.

    Thank you all again for all of the content you create. All three of you (as well as other Youtube woodworkers) have helped to inspire me to get out into my shop and build stuff and try different techniques. I have some shop projects to conquer that will hopefully improve my workflow and make my shop as efficient as you all seem to be.

    1. jaybates

      Hello Adam. You need an RSS reader to keep updated via RSS. On Chrome or Firefox it’s as simple as adding a RSS reader extension or plugin. I use Chrome so I added the “RSS Feed Reader” extension to my browser. If you’re using Chrome you can click here: then you have to copy the link on the RSS button and use it in the extension.

  7. Jon

    The contractor-style table saw with the motor hanging off the back is not made for dust collection. It’s make for jobsite use, where sawdust isn’t an issue, and no one is going to bother with a dust collector.

    Magnets over various openings help, but there are seriously gaps EVERYWHERE. If you want to plug up the holes then just use caulk backer rod. It’s cheap and you won’t have to cut it down to size. Just figure out the largest size gaps you need to do with that stuff and buy the corresponding size. It’s in the same section of the home stores as weatherstripping.

    Personally I just built a box all the way around the saw, with just enough opening at the front to access the saw controls. It still leaks there, but nowhere else, so along with a 1 HP dust collector from Harbor Freight (manager’s special discount (tiny dent in the motor housing) plus 20% off coupon plus tent sale seriously made it $35) and it works great. Draws enough now to pull down through the blade opening as well as the remaining gaps.

  8. Jon

    Oh, on the subject of welding, the HF welders suck. Even their bigger ones suck. They just aren’t built for any reasonable duty cycle. They overheat and they don’t feed at consistent rates. For that matter the cheapest from most manufacturers are frustrating. It can be very hard to tell when the problem is your skills versus the limitations of the machine. Buy a better used one instead of a cheap new one.

    Jay, the old welder might have been a Century?

  9. Bob

    Some of the Soundcloud podcasts have a link so that you can download it and put it on a small MP3 player. I can’t find that option on your podcast. Is this intentional? If not can you add that option? I enjoy the podcast but would like to listen on a separate player.

  10. Larry S.

    I just discovered the woodworking Pod cast..really like it.
    I was wondering if you have discussed shop finishing…like the interior walls and ceilings etc. Lighting is an interest. i built a 28 x 40 foot building on my property. I installed heating and with full insulation. I wish to make the shop a “fluid setup”. That is being able to remove panels to add electrics like sockets. I have a 220v line and two nearby sockets for dust collector and table saw. now I find I really need to add extensions to the 220v so I can plug in conveniently around the shop ergo the removable wall panels.
    My next thing is air compressor piping. I’ve seen videos where air supply is done with copper pipe. Seems like PEX water line (1/2″) would be a flexible way to go..any ideas.
    Thanks for the POD Cast, a really great idea.
    Larry S.
    Richmond, IL

  11. Dave Wightman

    I was just listening to your podcast about table saw out feed tables. Just thought I would leave a comment about the out feed table I just built for my Powermatic saw. I wanted something that I could quickly attach and detach so I came up with the idea of using Magswitch Mag Jig magnets. I made my out feed table size 24″ x 48″. My saw has a long extension table right of the blade for up to a 52″ cut capacity so I just made the table so it sits on the angle iron on the back of the saw and put holes for the magnets on each end of the table. The far outside of the table just has two drop down adjustable height legs that I can access quickly. The nice features about using the magnets is obvious. No mounting holes, bolts, screws, brackets, etc were needed to fasten it and if I ever want to support a really long panel or board to the right, I can move the table top the right as needed to support the long piece as it exits the blade.

    I’m sure one of you three can probably take this idea ad improve on it. Look forward to any comments you may have. Thanks.


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